SJ8 Pro: The Good , the Bad and the Ugly

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  1. Michael Dittrich

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    As an owner of the SJ7 Star I know my product well. I mostly used it as a B camera for images as a replacement to carry an ultrawide angle lens with me. As a video camera the quality of the footage was in my opinion not good enough. Too noisy and to little bitrate. Overall I liked the device especially the metal body gave the impression of a higher end product.

    The Good:
    - I like the menu structure better than the one of the SJ7 Star. There are also a lot of options/settings present that were missing in the SJ7, like limiting the maximum ISO and some manual settings like shutter speed for still images.
    - The bitrate in 4K@60fps is 100MBit/s when using the fine setting what reflects the maximum quality that can be set. This is sufficient and if you raise it you will need a higher class of SD cards. The bitrate for 4K@30fps is 60MBit/s.
    - There is H.265/HEVC support (but not for 4K, not with stabilization or/and distortion correction). This codec (if implemented well) should result in half the bitrate compared to H.264/AVC for almost the same visual quality. Or better quality at the same bitrate.
    - The tripod mount is integrated in the device and not in the extra housing like on the SJ7 Star.
    - The SJ8 Pro uses the Sony IMX377, the same as my Nexus 5X on which I get imressive results for still images and good and clean video (unfortunately not jitter free).
    - The electronic image stabilization (EIS) works better than on the SJ7 Star.
    - There is image stabilization for 4K (not for the 60fps, but EIS was missing on the SJ7 in 4K completely).
    - There is a flat profile for better color grading in postprocessing.

    The Bad:
    - The H.265/HEVC codec is not working in 4K. This is notmentioned in the spec sheet.
    - In 1080p the maximum bitrate for 24fps is 8MBit/s and for 60fps 12MBit/s when H.265/HEVC is used. This is by far not enough for more complex scenes and they are the rule in outdoor environments. Also in H.264/AVC the bitrate in 1080p is way too low. Much too low even in the fine setting what reflects the maximum.
    - After plugging the camera to a PC for file transfere the camera can not be turned off after this action when left plugged in. With the SJ7 Star this was possible. Also the device memory (the SD card) is not recogniced on my native USB C port on the PC. It works only via an USB hub.
    - The SJ8 PRO records a second (with lower resolution and quality) video file using the LRV extension. This can not be turned off in the FW versions I tried (1.2.5 and 1.2.9). They seem to be needed for the remote smartphone APP. As I never used this feature the files are useless for me and they waste SD card space and consume battary life as they have to be encoded.

    The Ugly:
    Well as a B camera for images the SJ8 Pro is a fail. I have to admit that the out of the camera JPEGs look better than the ones of the SJ7. But with the SJ7 I was able to get quiet a nice image quality out of the RAW/DNG files, so I never used the in camera generated JPEGs (wished I could turn them even off, as they were a wast of space for me). Now with the SJ8 Pro the RAW/DNG files are unusable (I tested it using FW version 1.2.5 what was the installed firmware when delivered and also with 1.2.9)

    So overall I can see a lot of potential that is a litte wasted in one or the the other aspect.
    I hope SJCAM will fix some of the drawbacks in firmware. Higher bitrates in 1080p and the RAW/DNG problem should be solveable with the right amount of good will. Also the behaviour when plugged in to a USB port on a PC.
     
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    Have the 1080p bit rates improved on v1.3 Firmware ? Anyone tried it out yet ?
     
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    1.3.0 has 25 MB/s with 1080 fine - very disappointing. AFAIK 1.3.1 doesn't boost frame rates.
     
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    At this rate they may take 2 more years to increase the bitrate to decent levels at 1080p. I can't wait, I'm going the same route you took with goprawn, that is the only solution for 1080p fans like us.
     
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    If SJCam made an honest effort to support the camera with higher bit rates and general improvements and bug fixes as needed, that would be the best situation. At least there is Kaliningrad's excellent effort (hurray!) to keep the SJ8 from becoming one more small paperweight. [/ frown]
     
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    I've got a 4000 and it has never made a video or picture out side my toilet. F'ing very very hard to open that case and just did not ever make a video or pic I could keep. Of course the handle bar mounts broke so forget this option.

    Feel free boys and girls to delete this honest posting but you can't delete utube?

    Just do not give any $ to this lower than average ~company and they will go away... Cost me $70 dollars to find out this and that is ok. Mine is in several pieces and i'll return it and say ' Clean up on aisle 1 as I drop it on the floor.
     
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    Bad translation, I didn’t understand what you had in mind))

    As I said in another topic: Low bitrate is a marketing move.
    Lower bitrate - more recording time is placed.
    The manufacturer lets is dusting us in eyes!
    No matter what quality - the main thing is MANY! =)

    - Stabilization works better, but the picture has become much worse, it is a smear in low light. This BAD!
    You just don’t know what to use for processing RAW and DNG
    https://yadi.sk/d/Gzo32wwnUxTigw
     
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